William Beer

M, b. 17 November 1793
FatherWilliam Beer b. 12 Jun 1767, d. c 1851
MotherSarah Gist b. 7 Aug 1768, d. Oct 1850
Last Edited7 Jun 2000
     William was born on 17 November 1793 at Plymouth, Devon, EnglandG.

Thomas Beer

M, b. 15 March 1801
FatherWilliam Beer b. 12 Jun 1767, d. c 1851
MotherSarah Gist b. 7 Aug 1768, d. Oct 1850
Last Edited15 Dec 1998
     Thomas was born on 15 March 1801 at Plymouth, Devon, EnglandG.

John Beer

M, b. 27 July 1798
FatherWilliam Beer b. 12 Jun 1767, d. c 1851
MotherSarah Gist b. 7 Aug 1768, d. Oct 1850
Last Edited16 Apr 2020
     John was known to be a Whitesmith by trade. John was born on 27 July 1798 at Plymouth, Devon, EnglandG. He arrived in 1838 to Adelaide, South AustraliaG; He arrived with his wife and three children.1 He was a "smith" on 12 June 1839. He advertised his arrival by placing an advertisement in the Southern Australian on 12 June 1839 p1. It read:
JOHN BEER, late of Dawlish, Devon begs leave to inform the public of Adelaide that he has commenced business in Pirie-street, as White Smith, Brass Founder, Lock Smith, and Bell-hanger.
J. B. undertakes Smith's work of every kind, and trusts that his practical knowledge of his trade and strict attention to business, will enable him to give satisfaction to all who may honor him with their commands
.

Citations

  1. [S63] Durrant, Not All Beer & Skittles , p3.

Mary Ann Beer

F, b. 14 December 1806
FatherWilliam Beer b. 12 Jun 1767, d. c 1851
MotherSarah Gist b. 7 Aug 1768, d. Oct 1850
Last Edited15 Dec 1998
     Mary was born on 14 December 1806 at Plymouth, Devon, EnglandG.

George Beer

M, b. 21 July 1811
FatherWilliam Beer b. 12 Jun 1767, d. c 1851
MotherSarah Gist b. 7 Aug 1768, d. Oct 1850
Last Edited27 Nov 2019
     George Beer was baptized on 21 July 1811 at Plymouth, Devon, EnglandG.1
He married Ann Oram on 5 April 1833 at Holy Trinity Anglican Church, Exeter, Devon, EnglandG.2 George Beer and Ann Beer appeared in the English census of 1841 at Cemetery Place, Exeter, Devon, EnglandG, With them in the home were their children, William age 4, Mary aged 2, John age 1 and one Thomas Palmer aged 14. George is listed as a Whitesmith..3
George Beer died.

Family

Ann Oram

Citations

  1. [S312] Plymouth & West Devon Record Office, Devon Baptisms, George, son of Wm & Sarah Beer.
  2. [S311] Devon Family History Society, Devon Marriages, George Beer and Ann Oram; 05 Apr 1833.
  3. [S209] Ancestry.com, 1841 England Census, 1841 England, Wales, & Scotland Census: Cemetery Place, St David, Exeter, Devon, England. Archive reference HO107, Piece number 266, Book number 7, Folio number 10, Page number 14.

Caroline Beer

F, b. 19 December 1813
FatherWilliam Beer b. 12 Jun 1767, d. c 1851
MotherSarah Gist b. 7 Aug 1768, d. Oct 1850
Last Edited15 Dec 1998
     Caroline was born on 19 December 1813 at Plymouth, Devon, EnglandG.

William John Gamble

M, b. 2 October 1830, d. 27 July 1876
FatherJames Gamble b. Mar 1805, d. 16 Oct 1867
MotherAgnes Nancy Dunlop b. 1811, d. 25 Feb 1874
ChartsGamble, John - Descendants Chart (Indented)
Last Edited6 Oct 2018
     William was born on 2 October 1830 at Ballymena, Antrim, IrelandG. William arrived in 1842 from Ireland.. William was employed, as a Quarryman.
On 2 August 1872 William John Gamble sold to Joseph Bostocka parcel of land in North Fitzroy, MelbourneG. William John Gamble left a will on 16 November 1874. His executors were his brother Joseph Gamble and brother-in-law Joseph Bostock both of whose children were to be the beneficiaries. His Estate was to be divided equally between his nephew James Alexander Gamble, son of his brother Joseph and his niece Effie Agnes Bostock, daughter of his sister Annie Bostock (nee Gamble). The Estate was to be held and administered until the beneficiaries came of age. An addition to his Will, signed on the same day, stipulated that if the above beneficiaries died before coming of age then their share was to go to next in line in the given family.
Effie was born in in 1874 so, at that stage, was not even one year old. James Alexander (Alick) was 10.
William died on the 27 July 1876. Alick attained majority and would have received his inheritance. Effie on the other hand died at about 4 years in 1878. As a result, her inheritance would have transferred to her sister Kate. I’ve not researched Kate but do know that she married in 1901 so had reached her inheritance age.
William died on 27 July 1876 at Brunswick, Melbourne, VictoriaG, at age 45. He died of Epilepsy, general Debility and Diarrhoea which he had been suffering for 2 months. He had been seen the day before by his doctor Robert Talbot.At the time of his death he was not married..1 His body was interred on 29 July 1876 at Melbourne General Cemetery, Melbourne, VictoriaG. Presb I 358.
In a sworn affidavit before the Probate Jurisdiction Joseph Gamble and Joseph Bostock submitted that the nett value of William's estate was 70 pounds.
According to the Statement submitted he had no personal estate.
He did have Real Estate in "A piece of land situated in the Parish of Jika Jika, part of allotment 16 of portion 7 of the Quarry Allotments near Melbourne having a frontage of 36 feet to Rae Street North Fitzroy by a depth of 99 feet together with a six roomed wooden and stone building thereon erected with the appurtenances and now let as an hotel at the weekly rental of 1 Pound."
This was valued at a total of 499 Pounds but was classified as "in not first class order and would not realize the amount which it is valued at if sold".
Against this were liabilities in the form of a Loan from a Mr W. Barnardo (???) which was dated 26th November 1875. The pay out value was said to be 408 Pounds plus there were sundry expenses of 21 Pound. This left the surplus of 70 Pounds. His estate was probated on 30 August 1876 at The Supreme Court in, The Colony of Victoria, Melbourne, VictoriaG; "Probate of the last Will and Testament of William John Gamble late of Brunswick near the City of Melbourne, Carter deceased, was and is hereby granted to Joseph Gamble of Brunswick aforesaid Builder and Joseph Bostock of North Fitzroy near Melbourne aforesaid Contractor the Executors named in and appointed by the Will. The said Joseph Gamble and Joseph Bostock having been first duly sworn that the said deceased died on the Twenty Seventh day of July One thousand Eight hundred and Seventy Six and that they would well and truly collect and administer according to law and to the best of their knowledge and ability the property lands and hereditaments goods chattels and credits of the said deceased which should come to their hands possessions or knowledge or to the hands or possession of anyother person or persons for them and that they would exhibit and deposit in the Office of the Master in Equity of the said Court a true and perfect inventory of all and singular the property lands and hereditraments goods chattels and credits of the said deceased within Three Calendar Months next ensuring the order granting Probate and a true and just account of the administration of the Estate which they have undertaken as to their receipts and disbursments and as to what portion is retained by them and what portion remains uncollected within Fifteen Calendar months next ensuing the said ordergranting Probate and that the property of the said deceased did not exceed in value the sum of Five Hundred Pounds."

Citations

  1. [S189] Victorian Death Certificate.

John Gamble

M
FatherUnknown Gamble
MotherUnknown Mother
ChartsGamble, John - Descendants Chart (Indented)
Last Edited30 Jul 2018
     John Gamble was born at IrelandG.
He married Jane Shea at IrelandG. John was employed, at IrelandG.

Family

Jane Shea
Child

Jane Shea

F
ChartsGamble, John - Descendants Chart (Indented)
Last Edited30 Jul 2018
     She married John Gamble at IrelandG. Her married name was Gamble.

Family

John Gamble
Child

William Dunlop

M
Last Edited23 Jun 1998
     William was employed.
He married Jane Mc Fee.

Family

Jane Mc Fee
Child

Jane Mc Fee

F
Last Edited23 Jun 1998
     She married William Dunlop.

Family

William Dunlop
Child

James Crow

M, b. 1719
FatherAlex Craw
MotherJean Croll
ChartsCraw (Crow), James - Descendant Chart (Indented)
Last Edited4 Sep 2018
     James Crow was born in 1719 at Fordoun, KincardineshireG.1
He married Mary (Margaret) Clark on 3 August 1746 at Fordoun, Kincardine, ScotlandG. Fordoun, Parish No 259/1
Proclamation (very poor writing)
August 10, 1746 James Crow and Margaret Clerk gave up their names to be proclaimed in order to marriage. _______ Willie in Auchenblae cautioner for man and David Andrew in Drumillie for the woman for their performance and abstinence..
James lived at Deeside, near Balmoral in Scotland (From Laurie Richards.)

Family

Mary (Margaret) Clark
Children

Citations

  1. [S212] Family Tree research from Ancestry.com.

Alexander Crow III

M, b. 5 April 1828, d. 9 September 1922
FatherAlexander Crow II b. c 1797, d. 22 Oct 1880
MotherJane Kidd b. 9 May 1800, d. 4 Jun 1891
ChartsCraw (Crow), James - Descendant Chart (Indented)
Last Edited7 Dec 2018
     Alexander was born on 5 April 1828 at Montrose, Forfarshire, Angus, ScotlandG. He emigrated from in April 1852. Alex was the eldest of eight, all of whom emigrated to Victoria, Australia. Alex and his next brother Frank set sail first. They sailed as steerage on the Anna out of liverpool in April 1852. The arrived in Melbourne on 22nd September and went straight to the goldfields of Bendigo.. Alexander arrived at Melbourne on 22 September 1852.
He married Helen Paton in 1853. Alexander Crow III was widowed with the death of Helen Paton in 1858 at VictoriaG.
He married Ann Cochrane on 22 March 1859 at Gisborne, VictoriaG. They were actually married in "the house of Duncan Sinclair" by John Meek, the minister from the Gisbourn Presbyterian Church.. Alex emmigrated to New Zealand in 1862 after marriage to Ann Cochrane in Australia.
Alexander died on 9 September 1922 at 7 Norfolk Street at St Clair, Dunedin, New ZealandG, His Death Certificate tells us that he died of "Senility" and "Heart Failure". At the time of his death his usual preofession was as an Engineer although it may have been some time since he practiced. at age 94.1 He was buried on 12 September 1922 at Southern Cemetery, Great Southern Road, Dunedin, New ZealandG.1

Family 1

Helen Paton b. c 1827, d. 1858
Child

Family 2

Ann Cochrane d. 11 Jun 1905
Children

Citations

  1. [S250] Death Certificate - New Zealand, His New Zealand Death Registration Number 1922010126.

Francis Crow

M, b. 2 August 1829, d. 1917
FatherAlexander Crow II b. c 1797, d. 22 Oct 1880
MotherJane Kidd b. 9 May 1800, d. 4 Jun 1891
ChartsCraw (Crow), James - Descendant Chart (Indented)
Last Edited9 Dec 2018
     His was commonly known as Frank. Francis was born on 2 August 1829 at Montrose, Forfarshire, Angus, ScotlandG.1 Francis was employed at as a Brassfinisher Apprentice at Montrose, Forfarshire, Angus, ScotlandG, in 1851.
He married Caroline Inglis on 9 January 1855 at Chalmers Church, East Melbourne, VictoriaG. At the time of their marriage both Francis and Caroline lived at Emerald Hill. Frank was a Brassfounder at this time.. The Australian electoral roll of 1856 has Francis listed as living at Spring Creek, Sandhurst, VictoriaG. Francis had a listed occupation of miner. He is listed along side Alexander and Francis Crow also "miners".. He witnessed Alexander Crow II's death on 22 October 1880 at Couangalt, VictoriaG.
Alexander Crow Death Certificate 1880
Photograph by Andrew Clark
He witnessed Jane Kidd's death on 4 June 1891 at Gisborne, VictoriaG.
It was reported on 13 February 1892 in the Baccus Marsh Express that at a local meeting that Mr Crow had recently left the district. He, as a retired farmer had moved to "Montrose", Westgarth Street, Fairfield, VictoriaG. The Australian electoral roll of 1903 has Francis and Caroline listed as living at "Montrose", Westgarth Street, Fairfield, VictoriaG. Francis had a listed occupation of independent means and she of home duties.. Also listed here is their daughter Isabel who also lists as home duties.
This continues through to the 1912 Electoral Roll where there are two additions of John Meek Crow a carpenter and Mary Ann with home duties..
Francis Crow died in 1917 at "Montrose", Westgarth Street, Fairfield, VictoriaG. Searching Sands and McDougall Directories suggests that "Montrose" was on the south side between Bower Street and Northcote Park. John M. Crow also lived nearby in 84 Westgarth St.2

Family

Caroline Inglis b. 1830, d. 21 Dec 1913
Children

Citations

  1. [S212] Family Tree research from Ancestry.com.
  2. [S255] Death Search Australia, His Victorian Death Registration number is 12224 in 1917.

James Crow

M, b. 11 March 1831, d. 17 March 1925
FatherAlexander Crow II b. c 1797, d. 22 Oct 1880
MotherJane Kidd b. 9 May 1800, d. 4 Jun 1891
ChartsCraw (Crow), James - Descendant Chart (Indented)
Last Edited11 Dec 2018
     James was born on 11 March 1831 at Montrose, Forfarshire, Angus, ScotlandG.1 James was employed, at Fordoun, Kincardine, ScotlandG. James was employed at as a Tailor at Montrose, Forfarshire, Angus, ScotlandG, in 1851. He arrived in January 1854 to Port Phillip District; He arrived as an unassisted British Immigrant.1 He was a witness at Francis Crow and Caroline Inglis's wedding on 9 January 1855 at Chalmers Church, East Melbourne, VictoriaG. At the time of their marriage both Francis and Caroline lived at Emerald Hill. Frank was a Brassfounder at this time..
He married Elizabeth Kerr on 15 March 1859 at Congregational Church, Richmond, VictoriaG.2
James CROW
Emmigrated to New Zealand.
James Crow died on 17 March 1925 at Dunedin, Otago, New ZealandG, at age 94.

Family

Elizabeth Kerr b. c 1842
Children

Citations

  1. [S212] Family Tree research from Ancestry.com.
  2. [S201] Victorian Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages, Birth Certificate, Victoria, Australia, Their Victorian Reg No: 38 in 1859.

Jane Crow

F, b. 3 January 1833, d. 21 March 1911
FatherAlexander Crow II b. c 1797, d. 22 Oct 1880
MotherJane Kidd b. 9 May 1800, d. 4 Jun 1891
ChartsCraw (Crow), James - Descendant Chart (Indented)
Last Edited14 Oct 2020
     Jane was born on 3 January 1833 at Montrose, Forfarshire, Angus, ScotlandG. Jane was employed at as a Millworker Flaxspinner at Montrose, Forfarshire, Angus, ScotlandG, in 1851. She was a witness at Francis Crow and Caroline Inglis's wedding on 9 January 1855 at Chalmers Church, East Melbourne, VictoriaG. At the time of their marriage both Francis and Caroline lived at Emerald Hill. Frank was a Brassfounder at this time.. As of 1856,her married name was Woodworth.1
She married George Loop Woodworth in 1856 at VictoriaG.1
Jane died on 21 March 1911 at Gisborne, VictoriaG, at age 78. Her body was interred in March 1911 at Gisborne, Macedon Ranges Shire, VictoriaG, at the Gisborne Cemetery.2

Jane Woodworth Headstone 1911

Family

George Loop Woodworth b. c 1829, d. 16 Aug 1920
Child

Citations

  1. [S197] Their Marriage Certificate, Victorian Marriage Certificate 3863 of 1856.
  2. [S99] Text , Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 14 October 2020), memorial page for Jane Crow Woodworth (3 Jan 1833–21 Mar 1911), Find a Grave Memorial no. 193019048, citing Gisborne Cemetery, Gisborne, Macedon Ranges Shire, Victoria, Australia ; Maintained by Suzy & Rob (contributor 46950534) .

Isabella Crow

F, b. 3 April 1837
FatherAlexander Crow II b. c 1797, d. 22 Oct 1880
MotherJane Kidd b. 9 May 1800, d. 4 Jun 1891
ChartsCraw (Crow), James - Descendant Chart (Indented)
Last Edited4 Sep 2018
     After marriage may have emmigrated to New Zealand. Her was commonly known as Isobel. Isabella was born at Coloston Mill on 3 April 1837 at Forfarshire, ScotlandG. Isabella was employed at as a Millworker Flaxspinner at Montrose, Forfarshire, Angus, ScotlandG, in 1851. She immigrated with her parents Alexander Crow II and Jane Kidd on 15 July 1857 at Port Phillip District; Alexander CROW at age 60 and his wife Jane CROW age 58 left Liverpool aboard the Lady Milton on 12th April 1857. With them were four children - Jane age 20, Jessie age 17, Anne age 18 and John age 14. True to his independent ways he arrived in Melbourne "Un-engaged" to any employer and released to his "own account."1,2
She married James Mc George on 12 April 1861 at Green Valley Farm, Tweddle Road, Cabbage Tree, VictoriaG.

Citations

  1. [S99] Text , Source: Series VPRS 14 Register of Assisted Immigrants from the United Kingdom held at PRO Victoria: Microfilm copy: VPRS 3502 Book: 11 Pages: 415, 419, 423 & Book: 11A Pages: 70 & 72.
  2. [S212] Family Tree research from Ancestry.com.

Ann Crow

F, b. 10 March 1839, d. 25 November 1909
FatherAlexander Crow II b. c 1797, d. 22 Oct 1880
MotherJane Kidd b. 9 May 1800, d. 4 Jun 1891
ChartsCraw (Crow), James - Descendant Chart (Indented)
Last Edited30 Dec 2018
     As of 1859,her married name was Thompson.
She married William Thompson in 1859 at VictoriaG.1 Ann was born on 10 March 1839 at Montrose, Forfarshire, Angus, ScotlandG. Ann was employed at as a House Servant at Montrose, Forfarshire, Angus, ScotlandG, in 1851. She immigrated with her parents Alexander Crow II and Jane Kidd on 15 July 1857 at Port Phillip District; Alexander CROW at age 60 and his wife Jane CROW age 58 left Liverpool aboard the Lady Milton on 12th April 1857. With them were four children - Jane age 20, Jessie age 17, Anne age 18 and John age 14. True to his independent ways he arrived in Melbourne "Un-engaged" to any employer and released to his "own account."2,3
Ann died on 25 November 1909 at Northcote, MelbourneG, at age 70.4

Citations

  1. [S147] Marriage Record, Victorian Marriage Entry number 1981 in 1859.
  2. [S99] Text , Source: Series VPRS 14 Register of Assisted Immigrants from the United Kingdom held at PRO Victoria: Microfilm copy: VPRS 3502 Book: 11 Pages: 415, 419, 423 & Book: 11A Pages: 70 & 72.
  3. [S212] Family Tree research from Ancestry.com.
  4. [S255] Death Search Australia, Ann's Victorian Death registration 13750 in 1909.

John Crow

M, b. 1 January 1844, d. 24 October 1923
FatherAlexander Crow II b. c 1797, d. 22 Oct 1880
MotherJane Kidd b. 9 May 1800, d. 4 Jun 1891
ChartsCraw (Crow), James - Descendant Chart (Indented)
Last Edited11 Dec 2018
     I do not have record on who he married but he is believed to have 3 sons & 1 daughter - Laurie Richards.

The 1851 Montrose census lists John as 7 years old and as a "Scholar". John was born on 1 January 1844 at Montrose, Forfarshire, Angus, ScotlandG. He immigrated with his parents Alexander Crow II and Jane Kidd on 15 July 1857 at Port Phillip District; Alexander CROW at age 60 and his wife Jane CROW age 58 left Liverpool aboard the Lady Milton on 12th April 1857. With them were four children - Jane age 20, Jessie age 17, Anne age 18 and John age 14. True to his independent ways he arrived in Melbourne "Un-engaged" to any employer and released to his "own account."1,2
He married Annie Duggan on 2 March 1867 at Miller Street, Brunswick, Melbourne, VictoriaG.3
John Crow died on 24 October 1923 at Manly Cottage Hospital, Manley, SydneyG, at age 79.2

Family

Annie Duggan b. c 1849, d. 24 Aug 1915
Children

Citations

  1. [S99] Text , Source: Series VPRS 14 Register of Assisted Immigrants from the United Kingdom held at PRO Victoria: Microfilm copy: VPRS 3502 Book: 11 Pages: 415, 419, 423 & Book: 11A Pages: 70 & 72.
  2. [S212] Family Tree research from Ancestry.com.
  3. [S147] Marriage Record, Their Victorian Marriage Registration Number is 856 in 1867.

Ann Cochrane

F, d. 11 June 1905
ChartsCraw (Crow), James - Descendant Chart (Indented)
Last Edited8 Apr 1997
     Ann was born at ScotlandG.
She married Alexander Crow III on 22 March 1859 at Gisborne, VictoriaG. They were actually married in "the house of Duncan Sinclair" by John Meek, the minister from the Gisbourn Presbyterian Church..
Ann died on 11 June 1905 at New ZealandG at age at an unknown age .

Family

Alexander Crow III b. 5 Apr 1828, d. 9 Sep 1922
Children

Mary Ann Crow

F, b. 29 April 1860, d. 16 October 1917
FatherAlexander Crow III b. 5 Apr 1828, d. 9 Sep 1922
MotherAnn Cochrane d. 11 Jun 1905
ChartsCraw (Crow), James - Descendant Chart (Indented)
Last Edited7 Dec 2018
     Mary was born on 29 April 1860 at Gisborne, Victoria, AustraliaG. As of 5 January 1879,her married name was Perriman.
She married John Perriman on 5 January 1879 at Dunedin, Otago, New ZealandG.
Mary died on 16 October 1917 at New ZealandG at age 57.

Family

John Perriman
Children

Jane Crow

F, b. 31 October 1866
FatherAlexander Crow III b. 5 Apr 1828, d. 9 Sep 1922
MotherAnn Cochrane d. 11 Jun 1905
ChartsCraw (Crow), James - Descendant Chart (Indented)
Last Edited7 Dec 2018
     Jane Crow was born on 31 October 1866. Her married name was Swanson.
She married unknown Swanson.

Samuel Crow

M, b. 13 August 1868, d. 11 June 1932
FatherAlexander Crow III b. 5 Apr 1828, d. 9 Sep 1922
MotherAnn Cochrane d. 11 Jun 1905
ChartsCraw (Crow), James - Descendant Chart (Indented)
Last Edited28 Aug 1997
     Samuel was born on 13 August 1868 at Dunedin, Otago, New ZealandG.
He married Helen Mariana Paterson in 1902 at New ZealandG.
Samuel died on 11 June 1932 at Leviathan Hotel at Dunedin, Otago, New ZealandG, Suicide at age 63. Gassed himself..

Alexander Crow

M, b. 21 June 1873, d. 20 January 1960
FatherAlexander Crow III b. 5 Apr 1828, d. 9 Sep 1922
MotherAnn Cochrane d. 11 Jun 1905
ChartsCraw (Crow), James - Descendant Chart (Indented)
Last Edited26 Jun 1998
     Alexander was born on 21 June 1873 at New ZealandG.
He married Elizabeth Congdon Paterson in 1897.
Alexander died on 20 January 1960 at age 86.

Elizabeth Amelia Crow

F, b. 4 November 1880, d. 23 January 1933
FatherAlexander Crow III b. 5 Apr 1828, d. 9 Sep 1922
MotherAnn Cochrane d. 11 Jun 1905
ChartsCraw (Crow), James - Descendant Chart (Indented)
Last Edited7 Dec 2018
     Elizabeth Amelia Crow was also known as Bessie. She was born on 4 November 1880. She resided at, at Blackburn, VictoriaG, on.
Elizabeth Amelia Crow died on 23 January 1933 at age 52.

Helen Doreen Crow

F
FatherSamuel Crow b. 13 Aug 1868, d. 11 Jun 1932
MotherHelen Mariana Paterson
ChartsCraw (Crow), James - Descendant Chart (Indented)
Last Edited28 Aug 1997
     She resided at, at Blackburn, VictoriaG, on.
She married Eric Edward George Richards.

Herbert Alexander Gamble

M, b. 21 January 1916, d. 28 August 2000
FatherHerbert Joseph Gamble b. 3 Jul 1882, d. 9 Nov 1960
MotherMabel Cairns b. 27 May 1879, d. 8 Jun 1955
ChartsCairns, John - Descendant Chart (Indented)
Craw (Crow), James - Descendant Chart (Indented)
Gamble, John - Descendants Chart (Indented)
Gamble, Joseph - Descendant Chart (Box)
Last Edited11 Aug 2020
     Herbert was born on 21 January 1916 at East Brunswick, Melbourne, VictoriaG. His was commonly known as Herb. From an Interview with my Uncle Herb:
"Herb attended Scotch College until he attained his leaving certificate.
He then worked partime at Brickworks, like Russell. After some time of working there he reached a stage where he could not see his dad retiring from the brickworks and could not see himself staying on because he did not believe that father and sons should work together he decided to leave and join the RAF. Mavis's father helped here being a Brigadier.
He had the interview and recieved a letter back saying that all positions in the Air Force were full but they would be pleased to offer him a Cadetship at Point Cook. During the Cadetship the War started. Herb's course was shortened by 2 months and he Graduated.
After Graduation Herb undertook a navigation course and was on a ship to take him to England and a Sunderland Squadron when the Air Force found out that his hobby was photography. They took him off the ship and sent into aerial photography where he became a photographic pilot.
One of Herb's early jobs was involved in photographing every known landing strip in Australia from paddocks and grass strips upwards.He was involved in survey flying and was took part in surveying the roads from Alice Springs to Darwin and the Kiewa Valley.
He was then rested from survey work and became the CO at Nhill until transferred to Bairnsdale to undertake another navigational course. Transferred to Sale Herb did a conversion course onto Beauforts before being transferred back to survey flying. Apparently the CO there, called Laws, had a heart attack or some other condition which precluded him from flying and they needed an experienced photographic pilot. His squadron then moved to WA and undertook coastal survey work involving from Albany to Darwin which had previously never been surveyed.
Moving back to the east coast he was at Rockhampton when the Americans entered the war and was seconded to the Americans Army Air Force and assisted in surveying for their Artilary Flying where he received a set of American Flying Wings.
Then he was called up to Cairns to survey mountain, Bartle Frere, the highest mountain in Queensland because the Americans kept crashing into it. It turned out to be 150 feet higher than shown on the maps. The locals new this and took it into account but the Americans had not yet found this out.
Then sent to Williamstown to do a conversion course onto Mosquittos and was then made CO of 87th Photographic Recon Squadron.
Sent to Melbourne to run the opertations of Southern Area. It was here he met Bernice who was a WAAF at the time. Apparently Bernice and other WAAFs in the outfit climbed at seven foot wall to get to the records to see if Herb was married.
Herb technically left the Air Force in 1946 but was not actually with the Air Force for some time before this because he had a hugh amount of annual leave, long service leave etc accumulated. He was setting up Gambles Aereated Waters whilst in this long service leave period.
The main reason for him leaving was the continual movement around Australia. At that time two years was the longest period at any one place. He had found Bernice, wished to settle down and to quote his own words could not see myself saying "Yes Sir", "No Sir" for the rest of my life.
Herb considers himself to be a very lucky person. Thirty five men graduated from Point Cook and only five made it through the war. He survived two plane crashes as well.

(His brother, Russell was chief pharmacist for the Air Force. Russell was in the Citizens Air Force and was a photographer. He applied for a flying instruction course. He was a pilot in a formation in which General Blaimey's son involved. There was a planned manouver, not involving Russel's plane, which went wrong resulting in two of the planes hitting and crashing. Coloney Blaimey's son was killed. Mum (Mable) would not allow Russell to continue. He finished up an observer.
Russell was eventually called up to re-join the Air Force but Victor Hurley who was the Air Forces Chief Medical Officer, and lived in Murrumbeana, knew that Russell was a senior employee of May & Baker. He appointed Russell to the post of Chief Pharmacist.
Russsell developed his high blood pressure during the war with all the pressure and stress of his war time job.)

He and Betty Muriel Gill were engaged on 18 December 1942; The following was recorded in the Argus; Friday 18 December 1942, p6.
GILL-GAMBLE.-Betty, only daughter of Mr. and Mrs. G. H. Gill, Summit Drive, Eaglemont, to F-L. H. A. Gamble. R.A.A.F., youngest son of Mr. and Mrs. H. J. Gamble. 483 Neerim road. Murrumbeena.
Details of when or why the engagement was called off are not known to me.


Herb started trading under the Business Names Act as Gambles Aereated Waters Company at 404-406 Neerim Road Murrumbeena. This activity was his as Sole Proprietor whist the property was in the joint names of H.J. Russell Gamble and H.A. Gamble. It was proposed in 1948 "to clarify the above position and to implement the original intention of forming the business into a Proprietary Limited Company in which H.J.G. and H.A.G. would be shareholders holding the issued Capital in the ratio of H.A.G. Snr [H.J.G.] 1; and H.A.G. 2." It was called Gambles Aereated Waters Pty. Ltd. and acquired the Plant and Stock of the previous company plus the Land on which it stood. Herbert Alexander Gamble and Bernice Murray Murton were engaged on 1 April 1948 at VictoriaG; From "The Argus" 1st April 1948
"ENGAGEMENT of interest to town and country friends is that of Bernice Murton and Herbert Gamble. She is eldest daughter of Mr and Mrs E. Murray Murton, of the National Bank, Euroa, and her fiance the youngest son of Mr and Mrs H. J. Gamble, of Neerim rd, Murrumbeena. Bernice, who is an old girl of MLC, is living in Melbourne at present, and her fiance, an old Scotch Collegian, served in the RAAF as a squadron-leader."

He married Bernice Murray Murton on 8 October 1948 at Scotch College, 1 Morrison Street, Hawthorn, VictoriaG.

Wedding Herbert Gamble and Bernice Murton
Mac Murton, Betty Gamble, Herbert Gamble, Bernice Murton, June Murton, Russell Gamble.
Photograph by Andrew Clark

Herbert died on 28 August 2000 at the Monash Med Centre, Clayton, Melbourne, VictoriaG, of a "stroke" at age 84. Herb suffered a stroke at his home in Murrumbeena on Sunday 27th August. He was taken to the Monash Medical Centre by never regained consciousness.. He was cremated on 1 September 2000 at the Necropolis, Springvale, Melbourne, VictoriaG. His funeral was held on 1 September 2000 at St Giles Uniting Church, Murrumbeena, MelbourneG.
Herbert Alexander Gamble - Eulogy
1/9/2000
Delivered by Catherine Elizabeth Rhodes (grand-daughter)

"My lovely mother once said that when these things happen, they remind you of the fragility of life, but more than that, it reminds you of their life.
Herb, A.A. Gamble, or Papa as he was affectionately called by his grandchildren has had such a great impact on so many different people, and in so many different ways, that finding somewhere to start this tribute to him was as difficult as trying to find an appropriate artillery range at 25000 feet.
His achievements are extensive at all levels, from family, to personal, to social, along with the military. So extensive that I feel that no matter how exhaustive my efforts are at trying to include everything, there is no question that someone, somewhere has been touched by Papa that we still don't know about.
I stand before you this morning in an attempt to do him justice, by ensuring that I portray, to the best of my ability, exactly how much of a courageous, committed and respected serviceman he truly was. As well as illustrating how much he loved and cared for his family, devoting endless time and energy to our happiness.
Herbert Alexander Gamble, RAAF service number 499, was a generous and distinguished man, who always enjoyed a good sense of humour. Papa entered the permanent Royal Australian Air Force on January 16 1939 as an air cadet and started what was to become elaborate career as a surveyor and pilot after 10 months of training at his first posting on 5 November.
Even though he wore blue, he was assigned a number of missions for the Army and Navy Survey Corps, including surveying the area from Canberra to Wagga and part of the road from Alice to Darwin. He then became the CO (Commanding Officer) of the Survey flight school of photography in Canberra, before being posted to Nhill as Chief Flying Instructor in 1942.
The aircraft he flew at this point in time was the Anson aircraft at heights of 10,000 to 17,000 feet for photographic purposes for 3-4 and a half hours at a time. He did so for 2 years before the medics informed the Air Board that these heights, crew should have access to oxygen, so planes were subsequently fitted out.
By 1943 he was on detachment to Rockhampton and Cairns, attached to the US Army, surveying 20 areas for Army forces, photographing artillery areas, ranges and camp sites. Papa's next major assignment was to survey the coastline from Albany to Exmouth Gulf called the "Great Western Survey", before being posted to East Sale and the Aviation School to do 10,000-20,000 altitude chamber tests.
On 1 November 1944 he was posted to Darwin as the CO to form the first mosquito Squadron in Australia, his precious 87 Photo Reconnaissance Squadron. The area they surveyed included the Coca Island, Java and Timor. These operational flights took place at altitudes of 25,000-38,000 feet and would take anywhere between 4 ½ to 9 hours.
The 87 Squadron did the pre-invasion photography for the Battle of Burma, due to their skill and excellent training (not to mention their esteemed CO), it was these men that possessed the courage to fly at the exceptionally low altitudes required to gather the necessary information.
Six months later he crashed on take off, losing one engine and was posted to 1 P.D. Following this, his posting was as CO ops room Headquarters Southern Area. Despite crashing twice and receiving a shrapnel wound, he was not deterred from his course of duty and persisted relentlessly before discharging after 7 years of service as a Wing Commander[1] on September 16, 1946, but not before torching with much delight, one of the mosquitoes that crashed.
I know we can all recall occasions where Papa has told us stories about his days as an officer in the Royal Australian Air Force. Other than the births of his four children, thirteen grandchildren and the day that he married the most loving and beautiful woman, the woman who stole his heart and "the red-head that he'd searched the world for" our Nene, his Bernice. These days, albeit them during such a tragic period of time, were some of his greatest and most memorable.
The phrase, "once a military officer, always a military officer", could not have been more accurate than in the case of my grandfather HA Gamble. It has been said by the greatest military officer of recent years, Major-General Peter Cosgrove, that to be a good officer, a person requires four values: courage, compassion, communication and humility. All of these adjectives could be used to adequately describe Papa's personality, which leaves no doube in my mind that he would have been a brilliant Air Force Officer, and trusted colleague.
Papa was a loving man, devoted to his family and willing to help everybody. Those that know him are aware of his quick sense of humour and the never-ending cheeky comments.
The last time I saw Papa was in Canberra, as my amazing grandparents had driven up form Albury to say hello after an EDA function. There aren't many grandparents that would do that. Papa had this cane, which was the first time I'd seen it, and probably the first time I realized he was actually an old man. Because even though he was 84, he never looked or behaved like it. This time was no different, I have this image of him walking along and swinging this blooming cane in the air and giggling. Actions that are reflective of his energetic personality.
He was a man that on every wedding anniversary would repeatedly demonstrate his undying commitment to the lady of his life, by driving to Tesslers and buying a tulip for every year that they had been married. I was lucky enough to be with them for 50.
When Papa past away, it was suggested to me that I write a letter to him, expressing my feeling and exactly what he meant to me. But like everyone in my family, I can say that we don't possess enough words to express just how much he meant to us, nor we do have enough paper and ink to cater for the onslaught of emotions and lovable memories that he has provided for us, for so many years.
I'm sure we all share similar memories of Papa, of the gap between his front teeth, of his round belly, and of that famous moustache that would tickle your cheek as your gave him a kiss or a cuddle. I'm sure that every time another grandchild was born, he was there thinking; "great, another one I can send up the apricot tree", of on a Saturday night, checking the tattlsotto numbers to see if he'd won.
His compassion for life and dedication to work resulted in wonderful friendships. Friends that are here today to say farewell and whom we thank for helping us make his life as grand as it was.
He was proud of each member of his family for very different reasons and unique achievements, as we were of him.
If we can achieve half as much as you have Papa, we'd be doing awfully well. He wasn't a tall man, standing at only 5 foot 41/2 inches, but what he lacked in height, he made up for in nobility, selflessness and love.
You were a loving husband, a father, a grandfather and a friend.
Papa was an officer and a gentleman in the Royal Australian Air Force, and will remain a tribute to his most cherished institution.
Once again you are with your Comrades in Arms and your brother Russell, whom you can spread your wings with and watch over all of us, like you have always done.
I wear your medals today with honour and pride, you mean so much to us. We strive to make you proud and know that you'll be with us forever.

Lest we forget"


[1] Notation:
His Air Force Records show that Herb was demobilized on 22 Mar 1946 as a Squadron Leader, the last rank to which he was appointed on 1 Aug 1943. [AFC]

Family 1

Betty Muriel Gill b. 1919

Family 2

Bernice Murray Murton b. 1 Jul 1922, d. 12 Sep 2012

Bernice Murray Murton

F, b. 1 July 1922, d. 12 September 2012
FatherEvelyn Murray Murton b. Jun 1890, d. 21 Oct 1974
MotherJemima Elizabeth McKenzie b. 1889, d. 19 Jan 1952
ChartsCairns, John - Descendant Chart (Indented)
Craw (Crow), James - Descendant Chart (Indented)
Gamble, John - Descendants Chart (Indented)
Last Edited10 Aug 2020
     Bernice was born on 1 July 1922 at Maffra, VictoriaG.
Bernice spent part of her educational years at MLC, Melbourne. She and Herbert Alexander Gamble were engaged on 1 April 1948 at VictoriaG; From "The Argus" 1st April 1948
"ENGAGEMENT of interest to town and country friends is that of Bernice Murton and Herbert Gamble. She is eldest daughter of Mr and Mrs E. Murray Murton, of the National Bank, Euroa, and her fiance the youngest son of Mr and Mrs H. J. Gamble, of Neerim rd, Murrumbeena. Bernice, who is an old girl of MLC, is living in Melbourne at present, and her fiance, an old Scotch Collegian, served in the RAAF as a squadron-leader."

She married Herbert Alexander Gamble on 8 October 1948 at Scotch College, 1 Morrison Street, Hawthorn, VictoriaG.

Wedding Herbert Gamble and Bernice Murton
Mac Murton, Betty Gamble, Herbert Gamble, Bernice Murton, June Murton, Russell Gamble.
Photograph by Andrew Clark
As of 8 October 1948,her married name was Gamble. She resided at, at 51 Ardyne Street, Murrumbeena, MelbourneG, on. She witnessed an unknown person 's death on 21 October 1974 at Murrumbeena, MelbourneG.
Bernice Murray Murton died on 12 September 2012 at age 90. She was cremated on 17 September 2012 at Springvale Botanical Cemetery, Melbourne, VictoriaG.1

Family

Herbert Alexander Gamble b. 21 Jan 1916, d. 28 Aug 2000